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world did a 16 stow away on a flight. many wonder if his story holds not. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is monday, april 21stth. 6:00 in the east, al qaeda militants wiped out thanks to a joint exercise between the u.s. and yemen. alling the strikes unprecedented. 30 dead but that number is unconfirmed. we're going to set to cnn's chief national correspondent jim sciutto in just a moment. but first to michelle kosinski live at the white house. what are we learning? >> with this big al qaeda meeting in yemen leaving many to question did the u.s. miss that meeting? did they miss the opportunity?
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why wasn't there a drone strike then? now for two days, we're hearing reports of what one yemeni official is calling an unprecedented strike win yemen. as you mentioned more than two dozen militants being killed. and the implication is there be drone strikes although that has not been confirmed but that was based on descriptions of the terrain. how difficult it would be to get troops into these very mountainous areas. but as usual in this type of operation, at this point, the administration is not commenting. we're hoping to get more information later today, chris. >> michelle, thank you very much. let's bring in chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim, let's start with the video at hand, came out last week. was it specific at the time, was it related to this necessarily? >> it was definitely necessary
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at the time because it was so brazen. you had many leaders, many of them senior, meeting in daylight hours where u.s. drones are often flying. no u.s. officials are going to make a direct connection to this and the operation tra took place. certainly this was an embarrassment to the yemeni government, arguably a challenge to the cuss and a failure. obviously, this turned into an intelligence opportunity and one of the reasons they were led -- to carry out the attacks that took place in the last 48 hour. >> it seems like it may have been an intelligence failure for the bad guys as well seems like putting them out there heightened the situation. where do we know about where this was taking place? >> the video took place in province east of the coast of africa. there were other strikes you might remember we were reporting where yemeni officials said ten al qaeda officials were
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structure. now you have a combination of drone strikes with action on the ground. not by u.s. troops but yemeni troops. we do know that the u.s. is the only country that conducts drone strikes there. and there is intelligence cooperation between the yemenis and the americans. >> we know this is a hot bed. and we also know this is an ongoing operation. does that mean two days right now? >> it means they got a lot of bad guys in that country. we saw it in the video. remember, it's ongoing. they have to show their strength, you're right, this was an embarrassment but they have to follow through. but also for americans why do we care about this al qaeda and american peninsula, it's called aq/ap. this is a target on american targets and also targets at home. they carry out attacks and we know they have aspirations to continue do that. this is not something that happens a million miles away but seemingly acts lives here at home. >> the drones are effective
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because you don't have to have boots on the ground. but they do come with this bilateral by-product. the yemenis officials say 30 being killed. that an important part going forward, them being able to clarify how many civilians were involved, hopefully, none? >> we already know that the attack that took place on saturday. three civilians were killed in the attack. it's often very likely, in fact, when you strike from the sky with good intelligence, arguably, bit not perfect intelligence. you're going to have collateral damage. we've seen the damage that's caused in pakistan, afghanistan. we hear about this. every time there's a strike, civilians are struck. this is a driving force of anti-americanism on the ground. >> we've both been on the ground where drone strikes occur. basically, they can take out the entire area, no matter how good the intelligence it. and you have to think going forward, jim, what will we hear
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in how much backlash in taking out the leadership? >> that's always a challenge. less in yemen, but more in pakistan and afghanistan. it's something that the u.s. has to be conscious of, right? because if the u.s. wants to be able to continue these separations here which are a priority for the u.s., they got to keep those relationships. and the yemeni government not exactly the most stable in the world. so any challenge say challenge to the u.s. >> thank you, jim. appreciate the perspective. we'll find out more as the hits continue, we'll get information and bring it to you, kate? let's turn to the grim recovery effort to the ferry disaster in south korea. the death toll continues to rise as the country's president is condemning the captain and crew. overnight, four more crew members were arrested in connection with the deadly accident as nearly 240 people, many of them high school students, remain missing. cnn's paula hancocks is live in
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jindo, south korea, with the very latest. good morning, paula. >> kate, it's a heartbreaking day in the harbor as the families here are being brought here and these desperate families have to walk through the tent where is they're laid out to see if their child is one of those retrieved from the ship. give home people are still people, this is a scene that's going to be playing out a lot over the coming days. >> reporter: this morning, the investigation into what went wrong is ramping up. four additional crew members arrested overnight as the country's president blasts the ship's captain directly calling his actions, quote, a kin to murder. he's now charged negligence. even though not at the helm, his kapgt was. newly released information shed new light on what exactly happened. our ship is in danger, he says. the ship is rolling right now. by that time, the ship had
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already tilted too far for the majority of passengers to move or to deploy lifeboats. five minutes later boat traffic control urged the unidentified crew member on the radio to prepare for evacuation saying please put on the life vests and get ready as people may have to abandon ship. then after 30 minutes, both encouraged the captain to take charge. the crew member questioned the retreat asking if passengers would immediately be rescued. and now the grim task of retrieving the dead continues as families angry and anguished wait for news. >> and families are asking why it's not happening quicker. they're making a lot of criticism saying that all the bodies, or at least a chance of looking for survivors should have happened already. but i did speak to one guy who said visibility was so bad, when he was out there he couldn't even get in the water. he said when he came back to the harbor empty-handed, he couldn't look at the families.
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back to you. >> essentially that has become a recovery mission there. we'll stay on top it of it along with the investigation. switching to another mystery, bluefin 21, the underwater drone looking for flight 370 is back in the water scanning for the missing flight. more than two-thirds of the indian ocean has been covered with no sign of the missing plane. let's get to cnn's erin mclaughlin. are they starting to get nervous about the search area? >> reporter: good morning, chris, well, the next few days are mission critical. i wouldn't say they're nervous. i would say they're focused. why? because they're searching in the area right now where they believe is the most likely place where they're going to find the black box, based on the albeit and limited set of data that they have. they're homed in on the second acoustic detention that lasted some 13 minutes. it was the strongest signal of the four that that towed pinger
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locator was able to pick up. and they're searching in a six-mile radius around that point. the bluefin 21 slowly and meticulously combing those waters. nothing found so far. they have 70% of that area covered. they have another 30 to go. australian authorities saying it could take another few days before completing that search, that's if the bluefin 21 performs as expected. and if the weather holds which is a big if. considering there say tropical cyclone named jack to the north of the search area, currently making its way south. at the moment not appearing to impact the bluefin's operation. last time we checked it was in the water on its ninth mission. >> that cyclone could cause wind and rain in the area, even though it's not a direct hit. thank you for that. let's take a look at more of your headlines right now. there have been a spike in violence as tensions reach a boiling point in ukraine. pro-russian groups said one of
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their points came under attack. a shoot-out ensued. six people dead. all of this a day after vice president biden making a show for ukraine's government. break overnight. quite a mystery. the fbi is investigating a teen stowaway who they say stowed away in a jet from california to maui. the 16-year-old subvieved conditions despite a lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures. the teen reportedly ran away from his family. he's now being taken care of by child protective services in hawaii. the entire climbing seen on mt. everest could be cancelled after the deadly avalanche. that's because sherpa guides who guide to the tallest mountain are threatening to go on strike. at least 13 sherpa guides died. they're upset with the failure
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to compensate the families. apparently up to $400. the worst in history. we remember the winged suit flyer who was going to do a jub on discovery, they've cancelled that. >> just a dangerous game. all right. let's come back home here and tune into what is supposed to be just a spectacular, the best ever in terms of how many people are going to watch, the boston marathon. of course, we all know it's one year since those deadly bombs tore apart the finish line up there in boston. but today say new day. they're expecting a record number of spectators. so security will be impressive at the race. thousands of officers will be monitoring what they're calling a ring of steel, surrounding the 36,000 runners. well, less than three hours away from start time. john berman on the scene at the marathon starting point in
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hopkins, massachusetts. >> reporter: the population triples here with 36,000 runners showing up. where it is begin says metaphor today. it's a new beginning for this race and this area as people reclaim the boston marathon as a celebration, turn the frag the terror that was one year ago where three people were killed at the finish line. this race, as we said, some 36,000 people will be running. 1 million people will be watching. and as for security, they are ready. >> reporter: the security here unprecedented. >> we're going to have plenty of assets. and if need be, they'll be rolling in very quickly. >> reporter: more than 3500 police officers uniformed and under water patrolling the streets. 100 more security cams are in place to watch the huge crowd. the eye eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th
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marathon. organizers expecting a record turnout with about 1 million spectators lining the 26.2-mile coarse. they'll be cheering on 36,000 runners. that's 9,000 more than last year. many looking for their student to finally cross that finish line. >> it's very emotional because i was right on boylston street when the second bomb went off. so, it means a lot to be able to come back and hopefully finish, cross the finish line this year. >> reporter: other runners injured in the blast now show what it mean to be boston strong. >> it means above all that we never, ever give in to anything. >> reporter: a renewed sense of pride and purpose, after the bombings during last year's race. three people were killed that day. the white family was among 264 who were injured. mary jo suffered a wron wrist. her husband bill lost his leg.
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son kevin had shrapnel all through his body. but that's not stopping him from running this year. >> any fears of being at the finish line? >> if i have any, they're pretty far back. so i'm not really developiwelli them. >> i also think it's going to be one safest places that day. >> it's going to be one of the safest places in history ever. >> reporter: so kevin white who is running told me that today is a day when tears of pain will be replaced by tears of joy. he's so excited for this race. he's actually signed up for his second marathon a few months from now. security will be will be unprecedented. fans are told they can have backpacks and strollers just be smart about it. make security easier for the people patrolling the streets but today very much a celebration. >> there's a sensitivity up there. i saw you running with kevin. you looked john, j.b., i was
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surprised you're not entering the race. i know your commitment to cnn is the only reason you're not doing it this year. you're in shape. >> it's the only reason. >> and 1 million people are turning out to see this. that's a testament. >> that will be the record. i don't think they'll have a record number of runners. i think it's more impressive they're going to have a record number of spectators. boston is always seen as a huge city. our thanks to j.b., we'll be back to him. there's an intimacy up there as well. you really feel it when you're up there. they've put it together the way few cities have ever put it together. >> and to indra petersons tracking the forecast. how's it look in boston? >> chris, i know why you're not doing it. because there are no blueberry doughnuts in boston. >> they had a blueberry fix like this, i would chase it 26 miles. >> from what i understand, great
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running conditions from the runners i've talked to. 50s for the highs. nice temperatures even by 3:00, they're still out there, high of 61. the rain is in the west. clear in the east. great in new york city and boston all the way down the east coast. that's going to stay that way for tomorrow, though. tomorrow night, the rain gets to boston philadelphia, and d.c., let it go there. high pressure backing that. a nice couple of days for the east coast. a stormy couple of days for the midwest. we've had almost a record low number of tornadoes so far this year. let's hope that doesn't change this week. there will be a severe chance of weather later on today. >> thanks, jeff. let's take a little break on "new day." we now know they're two-thirds of the way done. and no sign of flight 370 on the floor. so is there a plan? if this last third doesn't reveal anything. we're going to talk to the experts and take the best guess. plus, more deaths after the
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welcome back to "new day." new developments this morning in the search for flight 370. overnight, the bluefin 21 went back into the water to scan the ocean floor for debris. two-thirds of the underwater search hear has now been covered by the bluefin, but with no points of interest -- that's how they describe it -- no points of interest pound. joining to us discuss, mary schiavo, former aviation expert and department of transportation. and david gallo cnn director it the woods hole institution. david, let me start with you, we're now in its ninth mission, the bluefin. and the conversation continues which means we need a couple days fw days. two-thirds of the day one. focusing on a six-mile radius. if they don't find debris, what would you suggest is the next step?
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>> i don't want to cut them short. they do have a third to go. they've gotten the bugs out of the system. there's a ring them in to the operation and now is the time frame. and they are in the prime time so keep our fingers crossed and prayers with them. the next is if this doesn't pan out, it's regrouping sitting back with that white board and wondering what do we do next, do we expand this area or go to another area altogether. >> and there a tropical cyclone in the area, david. northwest of the area, it's not a direct hit of any kind but what would be the impact of that wind, of that rain, on the search efforts? >> yeah, i hope that stays well clear of here. i took a look at the weather, predicted weather, wind and waves for that area. it doesn't look like it's going to have that big of an impact on them. any kind of wind or waves is going to slow things down quite a bit and if it gets too bad, it's going to slow them down for a couple days. >> that's the last thing we need. marry i want to get your take
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on, but it seems small, but every small detail works in the assumption of where we think the plane went and the flight path it took. we're now told, sources are telling cnn, that initial turf is so important where the plane ended up. within vietnamese air pace. well over the water. it remains at 39,000 feet for for 20 minutes before the malay peninsula, how does that change, if at all, our working assumption of what we know happened to the plane? >> well, it changes, i guess a lot of theories, shall we call it, of what people thought may have caused the plane to do what it did. and that is initially, people were theorizing it's something nefarious was going on board. they had to make that left-hand turn after the handoff from the control, but before they entered vietnamese airspace because the
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theory, something doing somebody nefarious in the cockpit would want to make that change before being picked up by vietnamese airspace. now, apparently, it's not that at all. this actually happened in vietnamese airspace without them seeing anything. and then another set of altitude data, this is the third or fourth different set of altitude data. but again, it does not have them climbing orr descending down below the commercial traffic area. which included components of where they got down and out of the way of other air traffic, to carry out whatever it was that people were theorizing they were carrying out. so i think once again, this changes a lot of assumptions that people had. but it doesn't change the basic facts in what happened to the aircraft and they have to find where it ended up. >> does this tell you, mary, anything about the course of the investigation? i think we all go back and checked our notes. i was surprised to see yet
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another set of altitude data coming out. making sure i had this correct this time of around. in the course of a typical crash investigation, does altitude and these kind of basic facts, it seems, does it change this much? >> no, it does not. and the reason it doesn't, in most investigations you do have a couple things that apparently are missing here. one is you have reliable air traffic control data. and at a minimum, you have the air traffic controllers voices on a air traffic control transcript or tape that's released. in the united states, that's public. that's released. you can get the irtraffic control communications. and you usually have a black box flight data recorder which would unequivocally tell you the altitude, flight control and placement and movement. engine performance, you know what the engines are doing. we have none of that here. and, of course, most of all, why don't we have reliable reports from the several countries in the area whose radar the plane
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might have been captured upon. >> still this many days, more than a month in, still wait for that kind of information. mary, david, thanks so much. when we get back to you guys later in the show, i want to ask you what role the emergency locator transmitter, another bit of technology on this plane, what role that plays in this investigation. we'll get back to you guys shortly in the show. chris? coming up on "new day," the president of south korea suggests the captain and crew could have the blood of some 300 on their hands. we'll give you the very latest on that disaster going on off the south korean coast. what more could the crew have done. their transcripts. you listen, you decide. plus how did a 16-year-old survive for 16 hours hidden in the wheel well of an airplane. i guess the question is, could i teen survive? now there are questions about airport security and other things.
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welcome back to monday. welcome back to "new day." let's take a look at your headlines. breaking overnight, at least 30 militants have been killed in an operation targeting al qaeda in yemen. a government official tells cnn the operation is, quote, massive and unprecedented and is a joint operation between the u.s. and yemen. the strike was focused in southern yemen where al qaeda leaders gathered recently. four more crew members of the sunkle south korean ferry have been arrested. south korea's president said the actions of the captain and its
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crew were unacceptable and akin to murder. new video of the search has been released. you can seat murky conditions and low visibility facing crews. all you can see is the rope guiding them along. vice president joe biden heading to ukraine. the visit is a show of support for eeverybody's interim government which is trying to fend off the government from the russians. this visit comes a day after the conflict again turned deadly. pro-russian groups say one of their road blocks in the east came under attack. six people were killed in that shoot-out. chris, those are your headlines. >> all right, mic, let's get back to the ferry now. we have the captain and crew of that ferry under intense scrutiny by the president and investigators. they're questioning what could have been done to save the passengers on board. it's a more difficult question than you might think. we have captain james staples with the ocean and sea maritime consultants. and also a maritime safety consultant. captain, appreciate you being with us this morning.
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we have good schematics to help with the situation, but first, this is all about what happened and when. and to this point, we still don't know why this happened, right? >> that's correct. >> and that's going to be a key component in assessing the actions of the crew, yes? >> absolutely. >> something to keep in mind, as damning as it seems we don't know how it started. >> that's correct. >> idea that a hard turn that could make a ship of this size capsize, does that sound odd to you? >> it is odd. every ship should be able to take a turn left or right with no problem at all and remain with stability. >> there's a lot of speculation about the turn but that doesn't make sense to you at this point? >> no, it doesn't. >> let's take a look at what we understand. we start the voyage, zero degrees means you're up and down. everything's good, right? >> that's correct. >> they start going down. take it back. thanks for that. they start going down. it's foggy. the voyage is delayed two hours.
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that's what they're heading in in those conditions. it's we're at 15 degrees. okay. that would have been to be an natural list, right? >> right, in those weather conditions they should not have rolled 15 degrees. >> something happened. we don't know from the transcript that they communicated to your knowledge, you'd be telling somebody? >> absolutely, i'd be making the announcements. when the ship started going to 10 i'd be very concerned. and at 15, i'd say we better start doing this. >> and that ain't just from turning the rudder? >> well, she should straighten up quickly. >> could you go 15 degrees turning the rudder? >> you could if you have marginal stability. >> marginal stability meaning -- >> we would turn like that. >> next -- so ten minutes or later or so, you're at 43 degrees. >> yeah. >> this is not something that's going to happen just from normal
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conditions of piloting the ship? >> no. absolutely, like we just saw at 15 degrees, if she had not returned back to her normal position then you know something's wrong. >> right. >> so as she continues to go over, that's when you make your announcements to get people evacuated. as you see, we're talking ten minutes here, that's enough time to get people out of the ship and into an open area. >> the captain is very specific about two points. whoever it is that's communicating. one, it's too pitched to get people off. we can't use the boats. it's too hard for them to move. we can't move ourselves but for one step in the helm. does that make sense? >> it would be very difficult at 43 degrees. when you're looking at something like this, you've got no other options, you have to move. you have to do something. just staying there is not going to be good. >> the second thing that they pressed in the transcripts is, hey, are you sure these people are going to get picked up because these are fast currents, the water's cold.
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they seem to be expressing concern for those on board. >> right. >> not that this is lake of concern, they're afraid that the people are going to go in the ware and they're going to die there because of the current and temperature. is that a fair assessment? >> that's a legitimate concern. the temperature is very cold. the current's very quick. the thing to do in the very beginning was initially get the life rafts launched. if they had gotten into the water, they would have had some place to go. >> so the question was, did they have time before the pitch became extreme to get the boats in the water? >> absolutely they did. ten minutes from 15 to 43, absolutely, they did. >> the boat at 60 degrees. obviously it's now like going up a mountain. the question of when you did things and why. the transcript hasn't revealed that to us. now, this issue, again, this is about the accountability of the captain and crew. because we don't understand why this happened. it's not like something else hit it. they are communicating. this is basically where they were. south korea coming down this way. even though you see the outlying
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things. on the actual chart map, they were in deep water, it's good. quick water. there's nothing that made you think oh, you're going to hit a rock. >> correct. >> they start communicating with the service that's not closest to them. does that make a big difference in terms of the responsibility of the crew and the time it's going to take to salvage? >> well, they should have been in contact initially with jindo island. >> that's here. >> that's who they should have been talking to. >> but they weren't. >> and they ended up talking down here. >> is that a material difference, would this place communicate with that place? >> no, not necessarily. we have to look at it like air traffic control. when they contacted jeju island. >> and it doesn't work when you contact these guys, it's not right for us, go back to them? >> well, no. >> because it didn't happen in the transcript.
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but they seem to be competently dealing with it. >> oh, they are, they're very competent. they're trying to get the situation aware, what's going on. they're focused with their area. and jindo is focused on their area. he already should have been in contact with jindo island. >> so while that is not the best performance, do you still suggest caution at this point before damning the captain and cry as to why this happened and why so many are going to die? >> obviously, it's not just the captain. there's other reasons why this happened. we need to find out why the stability wasn't positive the whole voyage. we need to find out if there was fuel on board. or cargo. there are many things we need to be aware. it's not just the captain. we don't know if he'd been up all night long, going through
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fog. if he had just gone down to his room to relieve himself. >> he said he had to go down there to take care of something. >> which leaves get he was in a narrow passage why would he leave to a mate. >> important questions. thank you, kate? coming up next on "new day," the bluefin back in the water but still no trace for flight 370. officials say if they don't find anything this week. they'll have to move the search area. so where to next? also ahead, a 16-year-old's daring flight how did he survive what he says was five hours hidden in the wheel well of an airplane. and what does this is a about airport security? (mom) when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school.
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and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? welcome back to "new day." this morning, we have new information about the flight path of malaysia airlines flight 370. april source telling cnn that the plane turned left while within vietnamese airspace which was not previously thought but flew 39,000 feet well above the safe heights for the boeing 777. yet, more conflicting information, could any of the investigates' assumptions up until this point be wrong? of course, that's what many
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people are asking. and what does this mean if they're going to have to recalculate the entire search at some point. jeff weis is here. jeff, let's work through, everyone's working with the only information that's been released publicly. there's a lot that investigators and analysts are working on privately behind closed doors as they now have released publicly. let's work through what we know. >> sure. >> let's throw up the first animation to talk about the change in altitude and where that key left turn occurred. so we're now told by a source is that it went up -- it made the left turn to head back over the mal acht y peninsula well over vietnamese airspace. and it maintained 39,000 feet for 20 minutes before deskrensed. different from what we've been told. why is this significant is, when we kind of talk about all of the assumptions that are required to try to figure out where they
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believe the plane went? >> right. once it made a left turn, we ascend into an increasing area of murkiness. the data we have becomes more uncertain. we heard earlier in the investigation it went to 45,000 feet. >> exactly right. >> now, we're hearing 39,000. it seems more plausible. but it's hard to know this altitude information has been conflicting and frankly, unreliable. >> talking to mary schiavo earlier saying it shouldn't be. we shouldn't have this many conflicts information. >> the primary radar, the military radar scans up and down and it sees the plane off in the distance and it's just a fundamentally unreliable source of information. i think that's why we're having this problem. also, it's hard to know really what to make of it, if it did go to 39,000 feet, what does that tell us? >> about all of the theories? >> of all of the theories. to narrow down the realm of possibilities. >> and that is as you describe
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it the first chapter of assumptions in this story, if you will, that plays out as it continues on its path, right? >> that's right. i say the first chapter meaning, it had turned from it's assigned heading to beijing, for the next couple of hours it's still on malaysian radar. it's no longer broadcasting its identity. but just where it's going the malaysian authorities assume it's the same plane. and it heads across the peninsula, towards northwest to pyongyang island. andy does it it go after that? it's a real fog of uncertainty. >> and you say they assume, to work through the sufrgss, there are so many assumptions that go into the calculation of where they believe the plane ended up. >> right. >> let's go through some of them. first you have the starting point and that's kind of the turn, right?
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and what would you say are kind of the beginning the flight path would you say are the questionable assumptions that people should be thinking about? >> well, some people are thinking we really know that the malaysian authorities are correct in assuming this anonymous track from pyongyang is really mh-370. let's assume that it is. once it disappears from of radar, we only have one source of the fate of the aircraft. that's the ping. every our or so, kind of an a regular basis, it transported a handshake. it responded with the pings. but for the mere fact it took to get back from the satellite and from the frequency taking place. we know three things. the time of the transmission.
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the distance between the satellite and the plane and the relative velocity. >> you're talking about that's a better assumption. we assume that the speed of the plane is going 450 knots, correct? >> we don't need to make that assumption. we can tell the distance that the plane as at various times. 8:11 when the last of these were transmitted, we know it was on a circle across the surface of the globe. there's like to 3,000 mile from the satellites. >> so if they're off on that distance, what does that do to where we believe the plane ended up when we're talking about the pings down here? >> the problem is, this a huge area of earth's surface. it's an entire circumstance that goes all the way around. now, if you plug into this analysis a speed that the plane was traveling at, that gives us a point on that. here's the million dollar question, originally, you remember a long time ago, weeks ago, they started searching a
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surface of southwestern perth. >> yep. >> and the prime minister said he got on and said that's the best guess. that was based on a speed assumption of 450 knots more or less. that's why we're looking at that area. they thought, okay, this is the speed that a plane would travel at under normal circumstances. let's assume it's at that point on the arc. then as time goes on, they didn't find any debris, they shifted the search more northerly in the location, that would imply a slower speed. >> so the assumptions change, it really vastly changes the search area? >> right. >> they believe they've got their best lead right now in the search area. we'll see if they pick anything up. >> that could seemingly be it. >> thanks, jeff. next up on "new day," a 16-year-old boy apparently hitches a ride from a flight from california to hawaii. you won't believe how he was traveling, though. t! mom has a headache! had a headache! but now, i& don't.
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welcome back to "new day." last night, the boston red sox, boy, they paid tribute to all of those affected by last year's marathon bombings. let's bring in joe carter with this morning's "bleacher report." it really moved your heart, didn't it? >> yeah, it was. it was nice, chris. we know how the boston red sox, how important a role they played
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in the healing process for the ceremony in boston. and that ceremony was a combination of both tears and cheers. they honor both the heroes and the survivors while also paying tribute to the lives that were lost. and as far as the game goes, the red sox pulled off a dramatic win they rallied with five runs down with two outs in the ninth. dustin pedroia, a wild throw. what a great end to an amazing day at fenway park. and last night's rocket very trail blazers was the most thrilling. the blazers were down by 13 in the fourth quarter. they rallied back to force overtime. that's when portland's damian lillard took over. they steal one from the rocket, 122-120. eight playoff games that were played this weekend, five road
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teams won. mikaela, over to you. >> i have to stay up and watch the nba playoffs? i have a job to do. i want to take you to a story that's almost too incredible to believe. a lot of us are scratching our heads about this. the fbi is investigation a teen stowaway they say traveled from san jose, california, to maui. the teen made that trip despite oxygen. we want to explore the possibilities of surviving something like this with michael ray an aviation analysis. we're scratching our heads with this. >> good morning. >> a pleasure to see you. we thought we'd look at the wheel well of a landing gear. this is 737. he was stowed away on a 767. how different are they? >> just in terms of physical size, a 767 is a lot bigger than a 737. the size of the undercarriage,
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it's a lot longer. >> so there's a little bit more room in this wheel well? >> 00 why envision. i've not actually been inside both but you would envision a bigger aircraft with a bigger compartment would have that. >> tell me how to get there, or skipped security to get, but being inside this compartment, tell us what all is here, and could he potentially cause damage to the plane just having a human body in that space? >> this is a brilliant picture and it shows all the complexities inside the compartment. you've got hydraulic lines. electronics. fluid systems where you've got reservoirs. i mean, there's a lot going on in here. anyone climbing up into it, isn't familiar with it a stowaway, could potentially be putting their hand on hydraulic line or damage the airplane. >> and potentially threaten the lives of passengers on board?
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>> absolutely. >> his goal was to run away from home to stow away. he wasn't looking to cause any damage. the second is, how about security, people on twister going crazy. apparently, security video of him scaling a fence and climbing up into this. >> yeah, this is say huge aspect. look at mh-370 at the moment. airport security is absolutely vital. and i still think in this day and age, this is a perfect example that there are still holes within security. not necessarily at the major airports like your jfks your l.a.x.s, but the smaller airport. >> i'm amazed an international airport. >> it is. if someone can climb inside her, somebody could put something a little more sinister in here. that's the connection that security officials need to make. >> let's just talk about the physical survivability of this. what would any person, a 16-year-old who had his health
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on his side what would he be up against physically? >> the two hs. hypoxia and hyperthermia. let's look at the two hs. 38,000 feet. the aircraft generally travels between 38,000 feet. >> what happened to the body at 38,000 feet? >> as you go above 10,000 feet you go into something called hypoxia which is a starvation of oxygen. and the person will slowly slip into unconsciousness. >> and do you suffocate at this point? >> you're unconscious at this point. not there's something else going on because of the altitude, minus 80 degrees fahrenheit. >> you would freeze to death. >> it is freezing, but that has its benefits in terms of what it does, it preserves the central nervous system. so you've drifted unconsciousness. you're preserving through depreciation of temperature in the central nervous system. so you're in state of
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preservation effectively. now, he's 16 years old. you've got a strong heart. >> and at the very least, he would expect frostbite. he did say he was unconscious for a time. but apparently, he doesn't have any serious medical concerns after this. we're all scratches our heads. you can believe it. >> i can't. if you go to london there was an angola man found crumpled on the street. in final approach to heathrow when the under carriage deploys he's fallen altitude and crumpled out into the street. this is a staerging tale of survival. >> michael, thank you. >> good to see you. >> chris? we're following an ongoing strike against al qaeda and yemen. and we have new information about the ship tragedy. as many as 300 lives could be lost. and the government has been quick to blame the crew. are they right? and aed flight 370 investigation seems to be
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changing its story again. so let's get to it. the actions of the captain and crew described as akin to murder. >> those crew members were arrested today. a massive unprecedented operation targeting al qaeda. >> 30 militants have been killed. these are joint u.s. and yemeni-led attacks against al qaeda. >> there have been 21 currently on its ninth mission, with no signs of the plane so far. >> the search will continue. the eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th marathon. good morning. welcome to "new day." it's monday, april 21st, now 7:00 in the east. we're learning that the captain of that sunken south korea ferry is facing five additional charges include ago ban donning ship. those charges could land him in prison for life. meanwhile south korea's president is calling the actions akin to murder. the death toll, of course,
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rising. 65 bodies have been located. 237 are still in all likelihood inside the body of that ship. cnn's paula hancocks is live in jindo, south korea. paula? >> reporter: well, chris, we have very new information into us the past minutes. cnn has spoken to the captain of the search. they are still working on the assumption they may find survivors. he said they haven't found any air pockets within the ship but there's still a possibility there may be air pockets because the ferry has not sunk completely. he said at this point it's about 30 to 50 feet below the surface. and saying it's maintaining its floating level at this point. this will obviously give hope those desperate families wanting to know whether or not their loved ones are alive or dead but this is the sixth night we're
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going into since that disaster happened. so clearly, hope is fading. as far as the operation is concerned it's still very much a search and rescue operation. the captains as you say, now has five charges against him including negligence. so does the third mate at the helm at the time of the accident. the driver wasn't even at the steering wheel. the driver was in his own personal room. we are hearing they've been demonized by the president of this country park geun-hye saying what they've done is akin to murder. kate, back to you. >> paula, thank you for your update. also happening right now a joint u.s./yemeni operation is currently under way in yemen. the strikes have been called massive and unpress sar denteun. joining us cnn chief security
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personnel jim sciutto. and analyst and homeland security adviser fran townsend. good morning to you both. jim, first you, this comes after we've seen the images that sparking a massive gathering of aqap. is anyone connecting these two things quite yet? the video we saw was startling to everyone and then this massive unprecedented strike? >> no individuals making that. it shows al qaeda presence in yemen. and it's an ongoing threat. they've known about it for some time. and as fran and i have discussed the u.s. is not going to allocate resources the yemenis are not going to allocate resources but as said, this san embarrassment to show their strength there and again a reminder to show it's a threat. >> is it fair to say these two
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things are connected, fran? >> necessarily. they wouldn't have taken the shot. and to jim's point, what would have been required to launch this operation, drones, manpower, all of that, specific intelligence of high-value targets to justify the resources. >> who could the high-valley resources be? >> the number bun is al asiri. he's responsible for the underware bomb and the greatest threat to u.s. national interest and security. so the big question is, he's certainly the target of an operation like this. have they got him? will they get him? and no yemeni officials are saying. >> you talk to intelligence officials, what is al qaeda today? it's very different than at 9/11. it's a diverse threat. a franchise kind of threat.
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it's not just core al qaeda as we know in pakistan formerly led by bin laden. but you have the related groups, al qaeda, based in yemen and other groups in north africa, et cetera, more diffuse, maybe less ambitious, maybe less able to carry out large-scale attacks but setting its sight on smaller taxi and because it's more diverse and more dispersed harder to keep track of and it requires these kind of operations in places like yemen drone strikes, etsz. >> when you describe it that way, which is on youfl the right way to describing it, some watching might say it doesn't seem like much of a threat. aqap has been a growing threat. a big problem for the administration. how big of a problem is it if they're not maybe going after the large-scale attacks but still a huge threat? >> well, when john brennan was in the white house job and even the cia director, jim claerp, the director of intelligence, referring to the group targeted near yemen as the single
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greatest most capable threat against the u.s. and u.s. interests around the world. and i think that's right, al asiri, this bombmaker is one of the reasons. second is, because they're able to project their power outside of yemen where these operations are going on in the south, right near the port of aiden, you know, you don't realize, it's a real hub. you got extremists from africa, off the coast of africa and somalia. you've got them collecting from the arabian peninsula there. there really is infrastructure within yemen. >> and they're always refining their tactics. you remember a couple months ago we had a new threat alert that they had somehow refined shoe bombs to get past the detection we have at the airports. that's tied right back to al asiri. these are threats to the u.s. they want to get a shoe bomb on an american airplane. it's something they attempted
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before and nearly had success. with the underwear bomber five years or so ago. this is a direct threat which is why the u.s. is on top of this. >> use of drone strikes is controversial because of the concern and real possibility of collateral damage. you said earlier in the show there were three civilians killed during the ongoing operation. what does this potentially do to u.s./yemeni relations? we know it's had a bad impact on relations with pakistan. >> well, one, you've got to realize that president hadi of yemen it shows real courage on his part. it also show, the fact that this is an ongoing effort with such massive resources behind it tells you that the target say very high target. you don't commit the yemeni army, you don't commit the drones, without the target being very real. it's worth saying there's a whole targeting process that three casualties in this sort of
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drone strike are actually quite unusual. you don't see often that level of collateral damage. why? because these are precision weapons. they're supported by very specific intelligence. and so, this -- it's tragic. you have one civilian casualty, it's tragic. but they've really refined the process to reduce those civilian karn casualties. because when we had those, there's a real strain in relations and it puts pressure on that. >> typically when we see drone strikes it's a one-up. you hear about it later. a report of one week hit. this is over a couple of days that we've been reporting over the weekend. and now this massive ground operation by yemeni forces, a two-year point, but clearly something big they're going after. >> we're going to be watching it. fran, jim, thank you so much. and with the flight at least
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in terms of combing the area, bluefin 21 is on its ninth trip to the indian ocean and it's running out of places look. officials say two-thirds of the underwater search has been covered sill no sign of the missing jetliner. cnn's erin mclaughlin is in perth with more. erin? >> reporter: good morning, chris. well, with the majority of this narrow search area now ruled out, all eyes on bluefin 21. as people waiting, watching, ho hoping, even paying mh-370 is found. the search for flight 370 is at a critical juncture. investigators say now only days away from completing the targeted search area. with no sign of debris. >> i appeal to everybody around the world to pray and pray hard. that we find something to work on over the next couple of days. >> reporter: the bluefin 21,
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back in the water this morning. the search area six miles in radius, represents the best guess as to where the plane may be. if nothing is found, that search area is set to widen dramatically. >> whatever the outcome of the next few days, we need to regroup and reconsider the operations. it doesn't mean that we are going to stop the operations. >> reporter: over the weekend, investigators also amending crucial information. about how they now believe the plane flew. investigators say once flight 370 made its initial left turn, deviating from the planned routes, the aircraft climbed to 39,000 feet for about 20 minutes over malaysia. dipping in altitude over the indian ocean. malaysian officials believe the plane flew for about another six hours before crashing. searchers say that bluefin will have scanned the entire narrowed area by week's end.
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that's if it performs as expected. and if the weather holds which say big if given there a cyclone named jack currently to the north of the search operation. michaela? >> we know how weather can affect those search efforts. let's take a look at headlines right now. vice president biden is landing in ukraine this morning. he's going to hold meetings with members of the kiev's interim government. the conflict turned deadly again sunday. six people were killed in a shoot-out. pro-russian groups say it started when one of those road blocks in the east came under attack. the entire climbing season on mt. everest could be cancelled after last week's deadly avalanche. that's because the knivive sherpas who guide climbers up the tallest mountain are threatening to go on strike. at least 13 sherpa guides died as they prepared to get the route are the for summit. the sherpa community is upset with nepal's plans to compensate
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the families. barely equivalent to $400. and a new study published this morning show that many doctors still prescribing codeine for children despite concerns. they found just a small bit in codeine prescriptions tour colds, coughs and pain. the study's lead author said the could have effects for children but for many no effect at all. as we all know today, at 26.2-mile stretch of boston and the vicinity might just be the safest place on earth. why? security extremely tight for the 118th running of the boston marathon. the first, of course, since last year's bombings. our john berman live in hopkinton, massachusetts. you were there for the worst and now what you're hoping will be the best. how is it up there, j.b.? >> reporter: it is the best. spirits incredibly high here, chris. i see nothing but smiles on
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everyone's face. i was talking to the operations director a short while ago. you could see him bursting with anticipation of the race to get going. many starting ways, why? because 36,000 runner lou dobbs in this year's race. that's up 9,000 from last year. and they'll be running amidst incredibly tight security. as you said, unprecedented in many places. officials calling this is the safest place on earth today. in just the last few minutes i saw state police behind me. i saw national guard. i saw helicopters flying overhead. this is in addition to what we're not seeing. what we're not meant to see, 100 cameras, more than ever before, lining the route monitoring almost all of this race course. you can't monitor every inch of a 26.2-mile race. but they have sights and eyes on all the key locations. they are confident this will go off very well. they're asking runners, no backpacks on the race course itself. no camelbacks, that water you
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carry on your back. that will not be aloud this year. racers will not be allowed to wear costumes or masks. every once in a while, you see that in a marathon. not here. not today. they just don't want to take it risk. as for the fans, they've been told, if you can, leave the big backpacks and strollers at home. you'll have the security personnel much easier if you do your part and chip in. and everyone here does want to chip in. they're expecting 1 million people or more to line this race. that would be the biggest crowd ever here. i've talked to a lot of people here, friends, family, survivors, they all want to be part of this race today. this is a very important day to turn the page. as one runner told me to change from tears of pain to tears of joy. chris, kate? >> absolutely. it's going to be such an amazing day. and emotional day for so many there. we're going to watch it with you, john. thank you so much. it's great to see all the life and happiness going on behind
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him. >> i think it's very instructive that they're not expecting the most runners ever. but they are expecting the most spectators ever. and that shows confidence in the community surrounding. i went up there and i have some surprises for the guys later on in the show what i brought them back from the land of boston strong. >> presents or what? >> yes. coming up next on "new day," the search for flight 370, the underwater vehicle, the bluefin 21 has already covered more than two-thirds of the area. the focus. and right now, it faces yet another obstacle. we'll have that ahead. and then on "inside politics" intrigue, why are some democrats pushing 80-year-old ruth bader ginsburg to step down. who do the demes want to replace her? road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle.
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welcome back to "new day." we have new developments in the search for flight 370. and they are not promising. two-thirds of the underwater search area has now been covered by the bluefin 21 with nothing found. and tropical cyclone jack is making conditions above the surface dicey as the searching goes forward. better let some perspective. joining us in mary schiavo, former aviation analyst and david gallo, woods hole institution. >> the investigation is out there. there's something very unconvincing and unanswered. mary, to you, the information has been put out and again the data has not. how do you explain the analysis continuing to change when the underlying information isn't? is this about disclosure or
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about competency? >> well, i'm going to be charitable and say it's about disclosure. the problem is, this is now the third or fourth set of data about what happened in that crucial time between the last radio transmission and when it appears off of the -- you know, after the straits, past indonesia, actually, the turn around in indonesia. so we've had different reports on altitude. different reports on what was going on. the latest report now casts doubts on the previous reports because the latest information has it's turn to the left turning in vietnamese airspace. you remember, a lot of the theories surfaced on whatever happened in the cockpit, whoever is making the decisions decided to make that turn after the handoff from air traffic control of malaysia but before they entered vietnamese airspace. and the altitude to descend 10
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to 5,000 feet is out the window. so we still don't have definitive information but the story changes once again. >> but it's not that easy because the switch from 49,000 feet to 39, that might not be material difference but it fueled all the conspiracy theories and damnation of the pilot and co-pilot. there was subterfuge and that came out of the investigation. they now have changed their analysis. do they owe the families an apology? david gallo, i'll put this part to you, the numbers have changed. shouldn't they be saying more than that? >> yeah, one thing is clear, they need a better communication strategy because they really are having a tough time getting the right word out and not getting everyone upset by what seems to be contradict tear and sometimes, spreading misinformation. but you know the only witness to what happened during this flight are the black box yous.
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we need to find that and get the black boxes where the answers will be. >> this is bifurcated, right. this is separate, there's two different searches and the information that keeps changing. that is one aspect. bad for the families but not necessarily for the search. let's get to the search. two-thirds covered. they don't see anything yet. is this a scary notion they may be in the wrong place, david? >> air france 447, it took us ten weeks total. ten weeks on the water. they spent two months searching the wrong haystack. and that was horrible. they've got a third of the area looked at. i'm sure they've got all the bugs worked out. they're operating at tauf efficiency right now so we have to wait and see. >> cyclone, another word for hurricane. that's not going to affect the bluefin 21 but how much they can search. you already have people fatigued after 40-plus days of these flights. ships have been careful about the ocean so that's going slow things down obviously not worthy of discussion.
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but what is, mary, the elt is not working. we -- i specifically keep bashing that the planes don't have enough equipment to be found. but they do have the elts and none of them would have activated when they hit the water suggests what exactly? >> well, it suggests many things, at least we've finally got from the malaysian authorities confirmation -- apparent confirmation, there were four of them on the plane. the location of them on the plane. four out of four failed to activate and the water is troubling. it's trouble to anyone. the explanations are maybe it's so far, so deep under the water, they just aren't able to pick up the signals and satellite, and that they all four, this is hard to believe, that they failed to function when they hit the water. that caused people to believe that the next assumption was it didn't hit the water. whatever the reason, it's a
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mystery about how four cannot work. failed to send the signal. >> elt is emergency locator transmitter. they transmit a signal to satellites when they hit water. they didn't here. now it's going to fuel a new round of conspiracy here that the plane is in a hangar somewhere. but all it is an exactitude to follow up. it's horrible. we don't know what it means. once again, troubling that these devices did not indicate what it they're supposed to do if the plane hit the water. mary, david, thank you very much. kate? coming up on "new day," more on the flight 370 mystery. we've mentioned that the plane had four special beacons i guess you could call them, designed to send signals after the crash. why didn't any of them work? we're going to continue to explore that. >> and then on "inside politics," we'll go to kansas as high school students are against michelle obama as high school
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let's take a look at headlines. strong words of condemn aches calling the actions of the captain of the sunken ferry akin to murder. crew members have since been arrested. new this morning, video shows what the dive teams are up against searching in near zero visibility. 65 are confirmed dead in that ferry accident.
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237 remain missing. >> a government official in yemen tells cnn an operation is under way to take out al qaeda militantses in the peninsula. at least 30 have been killed in the operation between u.s. and yemen. the operation has been called massive and unpraes sa dented. that is in an area where 100 al qaeda members gathered recently. bluefin 21ed underwater drone scanning the ocean floor for any trace of the mission jetliner began its ninth mission. so far bluefin 21 has searched more than two-thirds of its intended area without finding any signs of the missing planes. kraft recalling nearly 100,000 pound of oscar mayer hot dogs because the packages are labeled wrong. apparently they're actually cheez dogs but the list of ingredients does not reflect that. it was distributed throughout the u.s. concerned for allergies, i
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guess. >> when you're afraid of a cheese dog, you know the world is not right. >> i'm afraid of a cheese dog. >> oh, not me. let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with mr. john king. i hope easter was plentiful. >> easter was great. have you guys seen berman's tweets. that's what he's been eating at the starting line at the marathon. berman has been missing those cheese dogs all morning. >> fine, i'll try it. if john berman is into it then i'll try one. >> his body is a temple. let's go "inside politics"py busy monday with me. julie pace of the associated press. alexander burns of politico. let's start with the vice president. he's on his way to ukraine. more and more criticism of the administration. i don't know what list of options they have, bob corker a ranking member on foreign relations committee in the senate. jake tapper showed the lead on friday help was talking let's be more muscular. maybe some arms to the rebels.
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he has a plan that vladimir putin is a slow and steady plan. >> i think russia's going to do it over time. the way they're doing it with black ops intimidation. i think we're going to lose eastern ukraine if we continue as we are and i think it's a geopolitical disaster. >> well, short term, long term, what is it the presidency hopes to accomplish? >> what it mean for mission information the ukraine over the next day or two is to reassure the government in kiev that they have u.s. support that they will offer assistance leading up to the may 23rd elections. long term, is this say little tricky for the administration because you have essentially a diplomatic relationship between ukraine and europe. it's very tenuous. you have people, not just people like bob corker, but some people in the white house who say we need to ramp up sanctions. we need to do something now to prevent putin from doing what bob corker is talk talking about which is taking the ukraine.
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>> sanctions is one thing. when you hear about providing arms, if you've watched out this played out they don't seem very organized. the protesters show up. the police are evacuating buildings. there support on capitol hill for arms? >> i don't know there is, john. this situation is not quite syria. but you do get some flashbacks in the sense you have the bob corkers and john mccains of the world arguing for more muscular response. and you don't see a huge parade of republicans on the capitol hill marching behind. if that changes within the next few years, that's a sign. let's bring in the supreme court. and now a while, over the weekend, the retired justice john paul stevens was out talking and he said that ruth bader ginsburg, 80 years old. two bouts with cancer. he said she has sought his
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advice, whenever to go or stay. when you think about leading you're thinking politics. >> you're interested in the job and the kind of work that's done, you have to have an interest in who is going to fill your shoes. >> i guess we assume that happens. to have a retired justice say, of course, you're thinking about going. who's the president? what's the lineup in the senate? who would my successor be? is this an active conversation in the white house? >> i think it's fascinating to hear justice stevens say that, we look for clue, but it's rare to have someone say things that plainly. at the white house, there's always a list of possible nominees because these things can come up pretty quickly. i believe they probably expect one more seat to fill over the next 2 1/2 years. there will be a list. >> you say for the next 2 1/2 years. but as a real possibility the republicans take the senate in november. if you're president obama, you're thinking i may get one,
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maybe two, let's think about one more pick, do you want it to happen now in the short term when you know harry reid is the majority leader or deal with the election? >> i think for your legacy, you probably want to to happen sooner so you can get somebody through the democratic election. democrats want to shake up this race in some way but i'm not sure a contentious battle over social issues is the way they want to do it. >> a couple of endangered republicans might not want to talk about this on the campaign trial. mitch mcconnell continue leader as a primary challenge. he's hoping this gets past the primary. elizabeth warren is not, underline not, one more time, underline not, running for president. she's a freshman senator from massachusetts. she's a darling as a liberal because of the wall street action. she has a book tour. listen to her on cnn saying no, no, and i mean no. >> i'm not running for
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president. i'm not running for president. you can ask it lots of different ways. >> you can ask it lots of different ways, alex. and i think a lot of the reasons people are asking elizabeth warren a lot of different ways is there was another freshman senator back in 2006 at this point, i think his name is barack obama. no, you can ask me a lot of ways, no. after the midterm in 2006. he started to say maybe. and the maybe quickly became yes. elizabeth warren, do people think they're possible? >> they're not running until they are, right? part of the reason this book tour is so significant because warren has been so controlled and disciplined and cloistered as a senator, really not out there talk to get press and pushing a national message. if you look at where she's going places like new york, boston seattle, los angeles, that's a democratic base. >> waiting low key to a senate career, hillary clinton. >> hmm. >> the only chance she does run if hillary does not run? is that fair?
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>> yeah, i think that's fair for most democrats who are in this position. they want to be asked the question, they want to say no but they want to keep their name out there just in case hillary clinton decides not to run. >> and 2006, after the midterms, young senator obama signed books. and his answer changed. you might remember when barack obama was running for president against john kerry, he said there's no right america. no blue america, there's just one america. michelle obama is scheduled to give a commencement address for half dozen students in kansas, the topeka area. there's been a bit of controversy, some people saying the first lady may overshadow my child's first day. the legitimate question is how many ticket douse get with a secure environmented. the school districts now say you can get six tickets to come.
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is this a big deal? she wants to celebrate. the commencement will be at the 60th anniversary of brown versus board of education case. >> yeah, the way this is billed at the white house. it's a celebration. an historic 340e789 for the first lady go out there. it will be interesting to see what happens in the community now that they have solved the ticket issue. if people look for another reason to try to not have her come or if this does actually die down. a lot of parents we've seen quoted in ap stories and elsewhere have avoided talking politics overtly, politics is every. >> politics is everywhere. it's one of the reddest states. can't we agree having the first lady come to your high school, that would be cool, correct? >> i would expect that laura bush decided to come up to the high school where i grew up, we'd have a similar response. >> thanks for coming in. now that they have the tickets, now you that can get six tickets, kaye, chris, and
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welcome back to "new day." a new wrinkle this morning to flight 370 investigation as senior malaysian ave yag source tells cnn that the plane was equipped with four emergency locator transmitters. and these elts as they're called are designed to transmit a
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distress signal when triggered by a crash. so why didn't any of the four work? let's be joined by jeff wise. there's four on board. >> right. >> aft door. one in the fewle latch. and the compartment. >> right, when you say forward door and aft door, what we're talking about the life rafts in the case of ditching can deploy. and when a life raft deploys you have the signal being sent from the elt. >> it's the impact that makes it emit a distress signal, right? >> the fuselage, that means really back by the tail. so, yeah, when the plane hits something, when there's a deceleration, essentially, when you get a g-force that's strong. not a hard landing but something more significant than that, then it can activate it, send out a signal. the one on the door, in the life raft, those activate when the
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life raft is deployed. >> they'll go with the life raft? >> exactly. >> let's move on to tell how it actually works. how does it send signal, how does that work? you can draw. the newer models, you got the satellite in space sending a signal to the gps. the unit know it's where it is. sending a signal back out into space, saying here i am. here's my location. here's who i am. and then so the authorities who then receive a signal from the satellite -- >> to the tower. >> to the tower. and then you've got, a rescue network becomes activated. and they know exactly where to go. now, they know who's in trouble, they know where they're in trouble and they can really spring into action. >> but then here's the question, though, why were did no distress signals emitted from the elts aboard this plane? >> exactly. that's the question. all of these elts, why didn't
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authorities receive a signal. there's a bunch of different questions. these units are, in brochures, they put out in these units for use over land. >> over land? what's the point of having them in the for and aft door when you're in water? >> why wouldn't it work under water? if you go plunging under water, why wouldn't that go? it's not going to have time. but these things will activate within a second, though. >> upon impact. >> upon impact. if it's already deep under water or if the impact is so strong -- now, these are hardy, stuff units designed in a crash, if you're going mach 1, meaning the speed of sound into a surface, boom, you can disintegrate. >> these are not devices that can be deactivated. we know the acar was turns off?
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>> that's right. >> they cannot be switched off? >> that's right. remember, these are designed not to go off in the case of a hard landing you remember the miracle on the hudson, when captain sullenburger landed he landed gently. and they didn't activate. so too gentle, too harsh, either way, the elt is isn't going to activate. >> this is the afn, the 777s have this aboard but boeing and the faa won't confirm this is that model. >> right. older models which don't send this information and have a higher failure rate. >> higher meaning what? >> as high as 50%. >> you're kidding. yes, you remember the case where steve fossett went missing, his elt didn't activate either. >> this is one of the questions
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the families have, the 26 questions, why they did not get data from the elts. jeff wise, thanks for walking us through that. >> with all the conspiracy, the news of the elts didn't go off. the best we can test the theories. coming up on "new day," marathon sports in boston, the store that became a triage point, rallying point and birth place of boston strong. we take you back there and bring back very special surprises, straight ahead. through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle. get up to $120 in mail-in rebates on four select tires when you use the ford service credit card at the big tire event. see what the ford experts think about your tires. at your ford dealer.
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welcome back. we are all boston strong. i have on my bracelet that says boston strong, our heroes above the banner. what many may not know and should never forget is how the phrase came to be. it was born of the worst, an explosion outside the door of a sporting goods store that became the last best hope for the wounded and then became a place that means so much more. for almost 40 years marathon sports has been a fixture in boston. on april 15, 2013, a bomb exploded right out front and what happened next would make this place much more than a store. >> i think that might be marathon sports. i'm not sure. you can see they also went right into there. >> reporter: if we look back a year ago, a year ago what was it like out here? >> on that tragic day everything was as normal and then the explosion went off and, as you know yourself, a whole lot of
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chaos happened afterwards. >> and literally wound up spilling right into the store. >> spilling right into the store. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: assistant manager kevin dillon says within seconds the store became a mick shift er. t-shirts became tournaments. >> t-shirts were taken off the clothing racks to try to stop some of the bleeding, but also to comfort the people in that position. >> we're looking at the guys, i think they were very brave on the day. you never know whether it's going to be a second or third device afterwards. they ran straight out here and helped as much as they could. certainly one girl was bleeding outright here on the floor and a tourniquet saved her life. we're very proud to say they acted on the way they did on that day. >> reporter: like the rest of the city, the store would rebound quickly. >> i remember about ten days later, marathon place opens back up. what was it like when the store
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opened up? >> it was a little erie, there was almost like a semicircle of shoppers, pedestrians, film crew and cameras were all standing there. we opened the door. at first people were very respectful and stood back and weren't sure if they should come in. we said no, no, come back in. we're back open for business. from that moment people poured in. >> reporter: they never stopped. what was once a store was now a symbol of resilience that captivated a nation, boston strong. >> you couldn't have come up with a better word, boston strong. it reunited the whole city. for me and all the people at marathon sports, we were very privileged and proud to be part of. >> you got me in the store. even in new york, everybody loves boston right now. i'm here. i want to support. i'm buying the bracelets. i'll get one for everybody on the crew. we've got to get the t-shirt.
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i can't green. it's too much. >> because he doesn't want to support the irish. >> the irish is fine. >> double xl. >> we've got a small. >> i'm going to get one for mik and one for kate. i have to get kate a little bigger, wearing for two. want to make sure i've got the rght sizes. >> for kevin and the rest of the marathon sports family, boston strong means taking the past and using it as motivation to move for wafd. more together than ever. >> we're trying to look forward to all the people out there running this marathon this year, there's a lot of people that run it for maybe different reasons than they would have done in the past. they run it to make a stand, they run it to be boston as one. >> we're all boston strong now. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> isn't that nice?
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you've got your bracelets, boston strong, our heroes and your boston strong for you, xl, and it's stretchy material. >> i was looking for one that said future marathoner, but they didn't have it. i got you the one that says keep calm and marath don. >> it's cool. the fact that one year they're they're already back open. they reopened ten days later. >> berman and i were there, couldn't believe the store was opening. it had been so much just for the staff. >> i'm sure they needed to. when you've gone through any trau trauma, you need to get back to work. >> kevin was saying the t-shirts at the store became tourniquets. >> they saved people's lives.
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there were people bleeding out in front of that store. they stepped up. they moved the barriers out of the way. they deserve every accolade they get. they deserve being one of the parts of boston strong that started the movement. >> this is much more than a t-shirt. >> it got a new yorker into boston. >> it's true. let me tell you, it was ugly in there. >> he wouldn't allow green. >> the green, the celtics, i couldn't do it. i love them. but love's got limits. i couldn't do it. but i was happy to be there. happy to wear it. in that city, 600,000 of the toughest people you'll ever meet in your lives. more together than ever. because we want people to remember what happened out there, so you can appreciate how strong they are moving forward. be sure to watch a cnn special report tonight, back to boston, moments of impact. 10:00 p.m. eastern, of course only on cnn. up next on "new day," the death toll is rising and so is the
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the captain should have made the initial command to evacuate that vessel as soon as possible. >> breaking overnight, akin to murder. south korea's president blasts the ferry's captain. four more crew members arrested. we have transcripts that may point to what went wrong. running out of time. the bluefin back in the water this morning. so far unable to find any sign of flight 370. officials say if they don't find anything in coming days, they'll have to move the search area. where to next. >> the boston marathon set to start in one hour. thousands of runners showing the true definition of boston strong. the biggest security presence ever for the race. we're live at the starting line. your "new day" continues
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right now. good morning and welcome to "new day" once again. it's monday, april 21st, 8:00 in the east. we're learning this morning what the captain of the sunken south korean ferry is facing, five criminal charges including abandoning ship. four members of his crew were also arrested overnight. this morning south korea's president is voicing outrage at the crew's actions when the ship carrying hundreds of high school students and many others began to list and go under. let's get the latest from cnn's paula hancocks in jindo, south
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korea. >> reporter: they say they have found no air pockets but they believe there still could be air pockets because it hasn't completely sunk. it's potentially giving parents some hope. >> reporter: the morning the investigation into what went wrong is ramping up. four additional crew members arrested overnight as the country's president blasts the ship's captain directly, calling his actions, quote, akin to murder. he's charged with negligence. his third officer at the helm. prosecutors accuse him of failing to slow the ship down. newly released calls between an unidentified crew member and boat traffic control shed new light on exactly what happened. our ship is in danger he says. the ship is rolling right now. by that time the ship had already tilted too far for the majority of passengers to move or to deploy life boats. five minutes later boat traffic control urged the unidentified crew number on the radio to prepare for evacuation saying
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please put on the live vests and get ready as people may have to abandon ship. after 30 minutes, boat traffic encouraged the captain to take charge and make the final decision to escape. the crew mep member questioned the retreat asking if passengers would immediately be rescued. now the grim task of retrieving the dead continues as families in grief and anguish await for news. a heartbreaking scene going on behind me. an official right now is on the loud speaker describing the bodies that have been coming in through out the day, the height, the gender, clothes they are wearing. families are crowded around him waiting to hear if they recognize their child. back to you, chris. >> that's just terrible, paula. the need for answers can't come soon enough. let's turn to the other mystery. the bluefin-21, the underwater drone looking for flight 370 is back in the water for its ninth mission. so far nothing, more than two-thirds of the underwater
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search area covered, the question becomes what's next? cnn's erin mclaughlin is in perth, australia, with more. >> reporter: good morning, chris. the next few days are really important. this is the most likely place where they believe they'll find the black box, that based on a very limited set of information that focuses on the second ping that was detected on april 8th. it was the strongest of the four signals, picked up by that american operated towed pinger locater. it lasted a total of 13 minutes. what they're doing right now is searching in a six-mile radius around that point. they're about two-thirds of the way done. they have another third to go. australian officials here saying they expect to complete that search within the week. that is if the bluefin operates as expected and if the weather holds. the weather could be a factor considering there is a tropical
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cyclone named jack currently to the northwest of the search field. forecasters telling me it's moving southeast in the general direction of the search, but they do not believe -- they believe by the time it arrives, it will have broken up substantially. it could bring rain and wind. it could impact the ochlths it wasn't having an effect today. the bluefin-21 back in the water for its ninth dive this morning. kate? >> erin live in perth, australia, thank you so much. vice president biden is set to arrive in ukraine this morning. hees going to meet with kiev's interim leaders as a show of support for ukraine as it tries to ward off aggression from russia. biden's visit comes a day after six people were killed in a shootout after pro-russian groups say one of their roadblocks came under attack. cnn's michelle kosinski is live at the white house with more. we are seeing that this tension is becoming more deadly by the day, michelle. a hughes task ahead for vice
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president biden. >> reporter: that's the question. is it escalation or deescalation? it seems to be different at different times. this will be a brief trip for the vice president. he arrives today, stays through tomorrow morning. first he's going to meet with u.s. embassy staff there and then with top leaders in ukraine's new government. the administration has framed this as an important high-level visit from the u.s. to reaffirm support for ukraine at such a critical time. support, of course, so far, has not been military. it's been political and economic. it comes just as expanded u.s. sanctions against russia seem eminent. since there's no visible deescalation on the part of russia even after it signed an agreement to do so last week. in fact, now russia is blaming ukraine for not deescalating it. for biden, this goes along with his expanded foreign policy role during obama's second term as well as looking forward to 2016 and his own possible
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presidential run. michaela? >> michelle kosinski, thank you so much. at least 30 al qaeda militants are dead in a targeted operation under way in yemen. a government official tells cnn that the operation is, quote, massive and unprecedented in a joint venture between the u.s. and yemen. breaking overnight, a 16-year-old boy is recovering this morning after apparently stowing away in the wheel well of an airliner headed toward hawaii, a hawaiian airlines flight. he made it all the way from california to maui. some are doubting his story saying it would be almost impossible to survive with a lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet. surveillance footage shows him jumping a fence at san diego airport and later crawling out of the landing gear area in maui. the 2014 climbing season in mount everest, more than 300
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expeditions in total could be canceled after last week's deadly avalanche. the native sherpas are threatening to go on strike. at least 13 guides died as they prepared the route for the summit. they're upset with the amount to compensate the families. it amounts to barely $400 per person. >> hard life. >> very difficult life. very difficult life. so some 36,000 will run. as many as 1 million will watch. police will be out in force like never before for today's 118th boston marathon. last year's race scared by a deadly bombing near the finish line. today we are boston strong all day long. cnn's john berman live at the starting point in hockington, massachusetts. the race is set to get under way within the hour. what's up j.b.? >> reporter: i'm about 26 miles
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from downtown boston. population about 15,000. over the next several hours it will swell, some 36,000 runners will start this race here, so much anticipation. 1 million people watching the race. that's more than ever before, and the officials here who have been planning security for a year, they say they are ready. >> reporter: the security here unprecedented. >> we'll have plenty of assets. and if need be, they'll be rolling in very quickly. >> reporter: more than 3500 police officers uniformed and undercover patrolling the streets. 100 or more security cameras are in place to watch the huge crowds. the eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th marathon. organizers expecting a record turnout with about 1 million spectators lining the 26.2 mile course. they'll be cheering on 36,000 runners. that's 9,000 more than last year. many looking for their
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opportunity to finally cross that finish line. >> it's very emotional. i was right on boylston street when the second bomb went off. it means a lot to come back and hopefully cross the finish line this year. >> reporter: others runners injured in the blast now showing what it means to be boston strong. >> it means above all that we never, ever give in to anything. >> reporter: a renewed sense of pride and purpose after the bombings during last year's race. three people were killed that day. the white family was among 264 who were injured. mary jo suffered a broken wrist. husband bill lost his leg. son kevin had shrapnel all through his body. that's not stopping him from running this year. >> any fears about being at the finish line? >> if i have any, they're pretty far back. i'm not really dwelling on it. >> i actually think it's going
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to be one of the safest places in the city that day. >> reporter: one of the safest places in the history of ever. rechb white who is running in today's marathon told me one year ago he was on his back at the finish line after those bombs went off. today he will run across that finish line. he's already signed up for his second marathon. he wants to run chicago in a little bit. you could not ask for a more perfect day for a marathon. it's cool here but sunny. it will be a great day for these runners. the wheelchair race starts in a little bit. about an hour from now, the elite women right after that. it will be a phenomenal morning here in massachusetts. chris, kate? >> well worth everyone taking a moment to pause to remember, to truly feel inspired by everyone out there. you're capturing the emotion of the day. thank you so much. i know it's special for him to be there. >> it's his hometown. he was there for the worst. now he'll be there for the best. still ahead we'll talk to
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welcome back to "new day." overnight the bluefin-21 went back in the water for its ninth mission, searching for any evidence of flight 370. two-thirds of the underwater search area have been scanned by the bluefin, and so far, as they
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say, no points of interest have been detected. let's discuss this and all the latest developments with mary ski ave. va, former inspector general for the department of transportation. and david gallo, cnn analyst and director of special projects at woods hole oceanographics. i want to pick up where we left off earlier in the show, mary. one of the new bits of information coming out is the existence of four elts, emergency locater transmitters. these are designed to, in the event of a crash to send out a signal in order to show the location of where the crash happened. the information coming out is none of the four activated. how unusual in your experience is this? >> it's very unusual, especially considering that there are four.
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a lot of times there's questions, how many are there? are they water activated, crash activated, et cetera. here with four you would certainly expect some of them to have gone off. of course, the important point here is they basically send a signal to a satellite so you don't have to necessarily send the bluefin down to find them. they should have sent a signal to the satellite upon impact or meeting with the water. it's very unusual that four out of four didn't work. >> when we say unusual, we're not then taking the step to say this means that the plane did not crash, did not have some impact. it's just that they did not activate. are these elts more effective if the crash is on land versus over water? is that playing a role here? >> they are. what they're really effective for are small planes, for
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example, lost in the woods or a small plane goes down. first of all they hit the water right away. the water gets to them on a small plane. they're very effective in some applications, but here, it does certainly give pause why none of them apparently were detected by any satellite which would tend to suggest it either didn't go off or whatever happened sent the plane, for example, to the bottom before they had a chance to go off, that they were under the water before -- the plane was under water before it got to them which would bring up the question did the plane go down in one piece, did it gently land on the water and sink. there's lots of questions as to why this might have happened, but no one knows the answer. >> that's exactly right. and the under water search for one piece or many pieces of the plane, david, that continues as we speak. the ninth mission scanning the search area is under way.
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they've covered two-thirds of what they've defined as they best guess, where they really have high degree of confidence that the black boxes are. you've been very good to remind us, don't judge the suck sepsce this yet. they still have one-third of the area to search. when do you begin to prepare for the next stage, david? >> they're thinking about it. certainly by announcing if this doesn't pan out, we have to go to plan b, which may mean expanding the bull's eye a little bit. they're just moving, kate, into the heart of the bullseye, if you will. so it's a perfect time to do it. they have all the bugs worked out. operating at peak efficiency. any one of these days, it could be the day when they go through that data that there's something peculiar that they find at the bottom of the ocean. as the minister said, we need a
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good deal of prayer, some luck and we'll see what happens. >> and there are other drones, there are other under water vehicles that are available. but they are in various points of the world at this point. when do you begin staging that. do you think it would be a good idea to start moving things in that area? you've also pointed out that comes with a lot of manpower demands. >> sure. it's moving these vehicles around. they're not small, they weigh thousands of pounds. there's not that many on the planet. some are busy already. that's the state of ocean exploration right now. we've got precious few technologies out there that can explore the deep ocean. we've only explored about 5% of it. this is why. i do know they've reached out, so people are on notice that any day now a call could come to sell us what you can do to help. >> mary, i want to lean on your expertise that you've worked with families following crashes like this before. some of the families have put
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together a very detailed list of 26 questions they had for investigators. they say that none of those questions have been answered in the meetings since that list has come out. should they be answered? do the investigators need to be more open, more forthcoming with the families or is this just standard operating procedure during an investigation? wel >> they should be more open. it's unfortunate that the united states has had so much experience with crashes an crash families. we were certainly over many decades the aviation nation. we have a lot of experience, and through the experience we learned the best thing is to give families the straight information, straight answers. that's why there's a constant briefs in the united states by the ntsb. the ntsb hearing, when they have the first hearing, the fact-finding hearing, they have a special area for the families.
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they say, do you have any questions, what do you want us to ask? that helps so much. it doesn't compromise the investigation at all. if anything, it helps because then the families are on board and they know you're doing the best you can for them. >> that does not seem to be happening at this point, that kind of communication, that back and forth between the families and investigators. we'll continue to follow it. ninth mission under way. we'll see you more throughout the show. coming up on "new day," 9,000 more runners, a million spectators. how do you keep them all safe? the police chief joins us with why it will be the safest place around live. plus criminal charges in the south korean ferry accident. who is to blame? south korea's president thinks she knows. is she right? we'll tell you.
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. time now for the five things you need to know for your new day. at number one, the death toll in the south korean ferry disaster has risen to 87. 215 people are still missing. the ship's captain faces five criminal charges including abandoning ship. a government official in yemen says at least 30 al qaeda
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militants have been killed in a joint operation between the u.s. and yemen. he calls the operation massive and unprecedented. the bluefin-21 on its ninth mission searching for any trace of flight 370. so far they've scanned two-thirds of the search area. vice president biden heading to ukraine to show support for kiev's interim government a day after six people were killed in a shootout. pro-russian groups say one of their roadblocks was attacked. quite a mystery. the fbi investigating a 16-year-old boy who they say stowed away in the wheel well of a hawaiian airlines flight, all the way from maui to san jose, california. always updating the five things to know. be sure to go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. this morning investigators continue to question the captain and crew members of the south korean ferry that sank late last week. could they have done more to save the passengers on board.
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should it have been handled differently in that emergency situation. joining us to discuss this is captain james staples the cargo ship capta tan. i want to walk through what happened, what could have done differently leaning on your expertise. we know at 8:55 the ferry was as it should be, right? >> correct. >> if we begin, we ol' show you -- i want to pause this. at 9:11 it was suggested listing 43 degrees from the side. we know that whoever the unnamed person was that was speaking the the control tower said that it was too difficult for many people to move around. that was one of their big concerns, people having difficulty getting their life vests on.
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how difficult is it to move when you're at 43 degrees? >> it's very difficult. what we need to know is why did the ship go to that inclination anyway and why was the ship in a hard right turn? was it inexperience. that's one of the things we need to look at. whenever a ship makes a hard turn, she should come back to the up right position with no problem at all if she has positive stability. so we definitely have some type of stability problem here with the ship. the reason we don't know at this time. was it a cargo ship? did they not have enough fuel or ballast on board the vessel. these are some of the things they're going to be looking at to see what happened with the vessel. at 43 degrees, it's very, very difficult to move. we had time before this the ten minutes prior that could have been given the evacuation order. >> time is clearly critical when you see how quickly, at least from the uninitiated, it seems
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this began to list and go under. this was at 9:11 is when it was at a 43-degree angle. then they reported at over 50-degree angle just a few minutes later. what does this mean as far as how fast it's going over. >> this is quick. a quick ingress of water. we don't know if the stern doors were not tight. we don't know where the water is coming from. my guess would be that the stern doors were probably taking in quite a bit of water at the time. a large cargo shift with the cargo. she's now to a point of no return. >> captain, at what point when you're clearly in an emergency situation like this, should it be suggested to put your lifejackets on and get ready to abandon ship? >> initially when the ship went to about ten degrees, that's when the concern should have been if she didn't come back to up right. >> just at ten degrees. >> they should be very concerned why she wasn't coming back. when she continued to go on, it
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should have been given immediately to man the life rafts. there's no reason for not putting the life rafts into the water at that time. even if people had to go into the water, they would have had something to go to, they would have had the life rafts. >> it was also suggested that at some point it got to a point where the life rafts were either under water or couldn't get to it to deploy them. is that possible? >> on the port side, absolutely. they very probably very close to the water and maybe even under water. there's still no reason why the life rafts could not have been deployed when she first started to go. that should have been the first command he gave, get everybody mustered, outside so they would not have been trapped inside the vessel. that's key here, that they were trapped inside. >> does that suggest inexperience to you, something else at play, that it was going down much faster than they had achb tis pated? does that suggest protocol
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wasn't followed. >> looks like some type of training problem we have here. when was the last time they did an abandon ship drill? these are some of the things i would be very concerned with is the training aspect. >> one final question just to wrap up. who they were speaking to, they made contact with the traffic control at its destination rather than the traffic control where it began which they were much closer to. does that pose a problem? >> absolutely. they should have been talking to jindo traffic control. >> they have situational awareness and the other place did not. >> exactly. that's the important factor. jindo traffic should have been in contact with them all the time. it's mandatory that they check in with that system. so they should have been in contact. that's who they should have talked to. we've got to also realize that there's a lot of confusion going on here at the same time. there's whistles, bells going
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off on the bridge. a lot of confusion going on. >> first and foremost, they need to continue the rescue and recovery operation and figure out why they ended up in this situation to begin with. captain, thank you so much for your time. i appreciate it. chris? >> coming up on "new day," the boston marathon gets under way shortly. we'll talk with the city's new police commissioner about the increased security measures this year. how are they going to keep all those runners and spectators safe? a 16-year-old says he survived a five-hour flight hidden in the wheel well of a hawaiian airlines jet. first of all, how did he get past security and does his story really hold up? states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources
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welcome back to "new day." right now 36,000 runners are about to start the boston marathon. boston authorities are getting ready for their own challenge, keeping all those runners safe and some 1 million spectators. joining us is boston police commissioner william evans. you're a 30-year veteran of the veteran, certainly not new to the marathon. you ran it 1 times but not this year so you could focus on the job. what's the plan? >> the plan is just to have a lot of visibility out there. we have a lot of cameras on the route and a lot of undercover officers. i'm confident that we're going to have a great day here in the city. we worked hard on today's logistics, but our men and women have shown what a great department we were last year and i have all the confidence in the
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world that the bpd along with the other agencies are going to have a very safe day and return this marathon to what it's always been, which a great day, patriot's day here in the city of boston. >> absolutely a lot of optimism. of course everybody a little on edge i'm sure as well. any information of credible threats that you have to deal with this morning? >> no. things have gone well over the last week, we've had great activities here, the tribute day. we had a 5k race. the atmosphere and the electricity is back on boylston street at the finish line. but there's no intelligence out there to indicate this is going to be nothing but a great day in the city. i'm looking forward to it. the weather is great. i just hope the 36,000 runners enjoy the day. obviously this is the best marathon in the world. i think we'll have a super day here today. >> what do you think about
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lessons being learned from the bombing that make it better to secure this year? >> lessons learned, we're going to put a lot more officers in the crowds. years past we've had them inside the barriers. we never thought that someone would go to the extreme they went last year in destroying our city and our marathon. we've had to adjust some of the logistics and put more cameras out there, but more so we have a lot of people inside the crowd walking amongst the 26.2 miles. that's the biggest adjustment. this marathon has run 116 times. last year was out of the ordinary. i think we're going to have a great day today. people should come out, enjoy the day and root the runners on and shot the city we're back, we're resill yenlt and not going to give in to what happened last
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year. come out, great day to root the runners on. we expect over a million people here today. >> you've said you want a soft approach to the security plan. what does that mean? >> the soft approach is i don't want people coming out and seeing officers in their tactical gear. i don't want them coming out seeing snipers on rooftops. this is a great day in the city. it's usually a good family day. i don't want people being intimidated and being afraid to come and watch the race. so we have those assets available. we have them at strategic low kathss and we'll have them out in two seconds. but we're trying to low-key it. we don't want young families being intimidated by a show of force. that force is there but it's behind closed doors and ready to be rolled out at any minute. >> commissioner in, you were in watertown when the suspect was apprehended.
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how important is it that justice be swift and severe there in terms of putting this episode behind the city? >> well, again, we were fortunate to get those two suspects within 102 hours. obviously we're hoping for swift punishment on this one. we all had an emotional week last year, myself from running the race right up to being the person at the boat with my officers. everyone did a great job and hopefully justice will be served for that individual who not only destroyed a marathon near and dear to all of us, but also to destroy and bring chaos to our city last year. i'm hoping justice will be swift and it will be certain. >> on a personal level, as you just pointed out, last year you ran the race and were still one of the first to respond on scene. you stayed there the whole time. tireless work as a lot of the force put in. this year you decided not to run it. was that a tough choice for you? >> it was a tough choice because
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a lot of people thought i should run it because symbolically it will show that we're not going to take it, what we did last year. since last year i've been put into this position. i've been here now six months. my job now is more important than me doing the running of the marathon. it's making sure that the day goes off without any security issues, making sure our men and women do the job that they've always done which is a great job and basically just ensuring that everybody is safe today. obviously the safety of the city and the safety of the marathon is my primary focus. there's other marathons to be run. hopefully i can be back on the route next year. >> you'll get the itch. that's right. there's always next year. we wish you all the best up there. we know you're prepared. we'll be watching today along with everybody else. here is to being boston wrong. thanks for coming on "new day"
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this morning, commissioner. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. and it's not just about the marathon, it's about everything that came before it. please, tonight be sure to watch our own special report, "back to boston: moments of impact" at 10:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. how did a 16-year-old survive a five-hour flight in a plane's landing gear wheel well? it sounds impossible. also, what does it say about airport security. our experts weigh in.
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call your local agent or 1-800-470-8496 today. welcome back to "new day." this story seems too incredible to believe. the fbi is investigating a teen stow away they say traveled from san jose, california, all the way to maui in the landing gear wheel well of a hawaiian airlines jet. the 16-year-old made it despite the lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet. we need answers as to how this could have happened. we bring in michael kaye, cnn aviation analyst. not the way to travel and it's cost people their lives. >> not first class. >> there's so many questions. why don't we break down some of this. first of all, how could a human survive 38,000 feet? >> you're going straight to the end point. >> i am. i don't want to go gently.
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>> you don't want to talk about security breaches and the wells and everything else. >> all of the questions, there are so many quees. >> there's individual of of the kid hopping the fence at san jose airport. >> we've got evidence that he breached the security and actually entered. and then evidence at the other end where you see him dazed and confused on the tarmac. he's got from a to b somehow. >> how do you jump the fence at san diego without being stopped? >> clearly a security breach. i got back from myrow, my boarding pass were checked more than ten times getting to the airport and getting to the gate. security a security breach which post 9/11 is a concern. >> this is a teenager, 16-year-old. he's got to be an average size kid. >> look, the whole process of
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getting across a fence, getting across a tarmac, if the plane is at the gate, you've got all these engineers, all the people you see, all the baggage people. to get through that is a physical feat. th >> describe that area of the airplane, how someone would get in there and side in there and survive in there? >> the bay is where the wheels come up and the wheels rotate and get locked inside the aircraft to eliminate drag. >> there's the bay. >> that's a 737, not the 767 he was on. >> a 767 is a bigger bay. inside that is the hydraulics reservoirs, electrics, all sorts of equipment and technology going on in there which, if removed or dislodged in some way
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could present an air safety risk. >> are there moving pieces and parts as well that he could get caught up in. >> mostly contained equipment. >> what's the temperature going to be. >> this goes back to your point, michaela, you have two environmental issues. hypoxia and hypothermia. hypoxia is the starvation of oxygen anyone sooefs 10,000 to 12,000 feet. he was at 38,000 feet. he's going to have slipped into some sort of unconsciousness. >> he said that. he told the officials he was unconscious. >> the second thing is hypothermia. at around 35,000 feet it's about minus 40. there's a crossover point. >> certainly wouldn't have been dressed for it coming from shaig. >> exactly. we heard about these stories of people slipping into lakes and being under water for an hour and being revived.
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there might be, and i say might, there might be a situation where you get a crossover, he's very young, very healthy where he slipped into unconsciousness and the body has been cooled at rate where the central nervous system is preserved and as he's descended, he's come back and made his way on the tarmac. we found an angola man was found crumbled on the street. >> he fell out. >> that would have been when the undercarriage cycled. >> assuming he would have been unconscious at that point. >> it all depends on your own dna, he was young, fit, healthy. there is a slight possibility that he would have survived this -- >> can we look at the gear again. one of the questions our producer -- everybody is skeptical. is there an opening from there to the cargo hold where he might have been able to crawl and stay warm where the pets and luggage and things are?
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>> it's a great question. i don't know the answer to the question. what i would say is minus 40 degrees c, human skin freezes instantaneously. you would think inside the cockpit, you've got hydraulic lines, it's warmer in there. you have the heat from the tires. there could be a situation where inside the bay is warmer and you wouldn't get the instantaneous freezing of the skin. >> beyond the fact that it's incredible he could have survived this, could he have done damage to the landing gear or the plane? >> that's an absolute possibility. >> then he wound upcoming out the other side. they know he wasn't on the passenger manifest. it's not one of those deals where there's some kind of hoax going on. >> it's an absolutely fair point. >> that's the concern, that it's
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a hoax. >> if you have the security video in san jose -- >> assuming it's him they see jumping over the fence. i'm skeptical. >> chris is absolutely right. like mh370, there is just enough evidence to keep all the cards on the table. >> i like that crawl into the cargo hold. >> how about a body double? >> don'tal ganger. >> i've got a don'tal ganger and i know you've got one. >> have you been sleeping in and sending someone else in? >> i can't disclose that. >> i can't believe someone could match the wit and british beauty you bring. but i like that crawling into the cargo hold theory or this ambient temperature difference. that gives me some confidence. >> regardless, don't try it. >> he's got a story to tell. he's in the custody of the hawaiian child and family services right now. >> that's relevant, also.
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what motivated the kid to do this. obviously dealing with some pain, now he's in trouble. >> he's alive. definitely a story to to tell. >> thank you, lieutenant colonel, or whoever you are. coming up, a war hero on his way to being honored gets the call again. we'll tell you how this soldier became a hero times two. that's why he is the good stuff.
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♪ it's time for "the good stuff." james yates is double stuff. here is why. he was already a hero. the purple heart winner with tours in iraq and afghanistan. he was on his way to an iowa barn stormer's game to be honored. on his way he happened to pass by courtney pearson trying to fix a brake fluid leak on her truck. >> i've had that jack under the car before, i didn't think it would be too much of an issue. i had my kids out playing, and as soon as the car fell, they heard me scream. i said go find a neighbor,
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somebody, anybody. >> the person courtney's kids found was james yates. courtney was pinned under the truck. luckily she wasn't crushed. that's when james swept into action. >> i told her to keep calm, i'm eve going to call the ambulance. >> he jacks up the truck. courtney escapes, only bruises, james leaves before she can thank him. remember he had a date at the barn stormer's game. >> everybody gave us a standing ovation. you can hear people yelling thank you and saluting us. >> he's an amazing person and i just wish i could thank him. >> it's easy. they live very close to each other. >> i love so much about this story. >> isn't that nice? >> amazing she got out with only bruises. >> once again, what makes the guy special is unusual call to duty in iraq and afghanistan protecting our freedoms, but then taking the opportunity on an ordinary occasion to do something extraordinary. that's why he's "the good
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stuff." >> renaissance man, he still went to his date. love it. >> respect for that. a lot of news this morning. let's get you to the "newsroom" with ms. pamela brown. pamela, good to see you. >> good to see all three of you. i'm take it from here. i'm take it from here. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. i'm pamela brown sitting in for carol costello. we're following a busy morning of news. minutes ago vip joe biden arrived in the ukraine. new arrests and blistering condemnation in south korea's ferry disaster. that country's president says the failures of the ship's captain and crew are, quote, akin to murder. within the last hour the death toll has jumped dramatically from

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